tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518333375761044512.post1520921717307786152..comments2024-03-28T00:25:53.266-07:00Comments on A Cosmist Manifesto: Does Cosmism Advocate Human Extinction?Ben Goertzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01289041122724284772noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518333375761044512.post-39255135036571961882010-03-09T11:26:39.491-08:002010-03-09T11:26:39.491-08:00I would no sooner remain a "legacy human"...I would no sooner remain a "legacy human" (MOSH) than I would remain a "legacy cow". How fucking lame would that be? LOL!<br /><br />My other comments apply more to this chapter than the other chapter I left them under. Feel free to evaluate them on their own, or as they relate to your negative view of (most) humans here.<br /><br />Most of humanity is brutality now. Governments = force. Look at what a dominant role force plays in our lives! Everyone is cowed, few people even attempt their full potential due to the omnipresent brutality in the name of benevolence. Noone is allowed to "opt out", there is no "consent of the governed".<br /><br />Read Harry Browne's book "Why Government Doesn't Work", or "For a New Liberty" by Rothbard (or perhaps more esoteric and drier Nozick, Rand, Peikoff, etc...)<br /><br />I imagine that universes inside of universes will be created. I favor my own ability to grow and remain continuous, if possible. <br /><br />But I do see an upside: I doubt artilects will need violence to curtail human violence. (And, although I don't like the idea of being manipulated, I like the idea of mass imprisonment, democide, and brutality even less.) I would prefer to simply see the bars fall away from the "mala prohibita" prison cells.<br /><br />I would prefer to see the soldier's guns rust overnight, but the potential rape victim's and private citizens' guns remain functional until those persons joined the mafia or the bigger mafia (the government). I would also prefer an enormous and growing ad campaign against the initiation of force(the violation of "the golden rule" that even Christians claim to understand, but instead mistakenly use to justify enforced conformity on everyone similar to the conformity they practice themselves.)<br /><br />...Just a few thoughts.Jake Witmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770905367613837798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518333375761044512.post-40547025361954033802009-06-11T23:18:09.773-07:002009-06-11T23:18:09.773-07:00I didn't mean to imply there will only be two ...I didn't mean to imply there will only be two choices: that was just a simplistic example presented for sake of argument!Ben Goertzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01289041122724284772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518333375761044512.post-18311073275409875912009-06-10T20:41:30.586-07:002009-06-10T20:41:30.586-07:00Cosmism does advocate not allowing those who choos...Cosmism does advocate not allowing those who choose to remain "legacy humans"<br /><br />Sounds like you have already made your choice, even though back in your Good Ancestors Principle Workshop, you were still questioning the ethics of letting humans remain human. <br /><br /><br />While I somewhat agree that keeping humans past the singularity is rather difficult we must not forget that the singularity may just be a localized event.<br /><br />I see no reason that the humans cant simply be relocated else where into space and start from scratch. <br /><br />This spore like spreading of intelligence in the cosmos may represent an even grander cycle of life, which both sides could use to reconcile there difference. <br /><br />"A static, depressing, fascist world dominated by humans<br />A joyful, growing, freedom-ful world without humans"<br /><br />To simply believe thats there is only two choices is to put fourth hugo's comist vs terran war into play. This type of scenario would destabilize the controlled ascent you so speak of. Therefore it would prudent that we don't let this possibility become a reality. Further exploration is needed on this topic.<br /><br />After all it will be the "humans" that put all of this into motion.<br /><br />So even if i don't fully agree with you here I still thank you for even mentioning it so it may be discussed further.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com